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2004-10-05 - 10:30 p.m.

V.P. Cheney v. Sen. John Edwards... and more

I think the Vice Presidential debate was pretty much a draw tonight.

Cheney got in his licks about trial lawyers and the Bush-Cheney platform. I kept wishing Edwards would point out that it takes a lot of nerve for Bush and Cheney to want to limit anyone's right to sue, when the only reason they're in office is because they won a lawsuit even though they had lost the vote. Now they want to keep consumers from defending their rights. You can bet your bottom dollar they don't want to limit the rights of politicians to sue to block recounts – at least not in this election.

Cheney nearly got Edwards on his attendance record – when he said he hadn’t even met him before tonight, even though he presided over the Senate every Tuesday. But quick-thinking Edwards came back in time to remind people of Cheney's record as a soft-spoken right-winger, who voted against Head Start and Meals on Wheels, who voted to legalize plastic guns that terrorists can use to defeat metal detectors, voted against the Martin Luther King Holiday and against a resolution calling on the racists in South Africa to free Nelson Mandela. Touche! Cheney declined another 30 seconds to defend those insane votes.

And don't you just want someone in the Kerry-Edwards campaign to point out, “The more important question of this election is really what would happen if Dick Cheney should become incapacitated and not be able to serve? Then who would act as President? It is not that the VP is just a heartbeat away from being the President that worries me. But in the case of our current administration, the man we saw last week debating John Kerry is just a heartbeat away from being without his puppet-master vice president, who has clearly been directing the show (along with Karl Rove. Is that not a frightening thought?

It was refreshing that there was no discussion of who served where or when in this debate. However, I received this list of “Chicken Hawks and War Wimps” in my e-mail today. Rather a fascinating observation someone has made. Check out this interesting pattern of who leads us into war and who seems more thoughtful in their questioning – those having seen the face of war up close and personal perhaps looking for the “global test” of having to tell a mother her son died for a just war.


Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.

David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.

Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.

Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist
in 20th Engineer Brigade.

Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.

Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII.

Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.

Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.

Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953.

Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.

Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.

Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star and seven
campaign ribbons.

Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and
Soldier's Medal.

Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion
of Merit.

Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.

Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star
with Combat V.

Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.

Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57

Chuck Robb: Vietnam

Howell Heflin: Silver Star

George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.

Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.

Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953

John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.

Dennis Hastert: did not serve.

Tom Delay: did not serve.

Roy Blunt: did not serve.

Bill Frist: did not serve.

Mitch McConnell: did not serve.

Rick Santorum: did not serve.

Trent Lott: did not serve.

Dick Cheney: did not serve.

John Ashcroft: did not serve.

Jeb Bush: did not serve.

Karl Rove: did not serve.

Saxby Chambliss: did not serve.

Vin Weber: did not serve.

Richard Perle: did not serve.

Douglas Feith: did not serve.

Eliot Abrams: did not serve.

Richard Shelby: did not serve.

Jon Kyl: did not serve.

Tim Hutchison: did not serve.

Christopher Cox: did not serve.

Newt Gingrich: did not serve.

Phil Gramm: did not serve.

Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.

John M. McHugh: did not serve.

J C Watts: did not serve.

Jack Kemp: did not serve.

Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.

George Pataki: did not serve.

Spencer Abraham: did not serve.

John Engler: did not serve.

Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.

Antonin Scalia: did not serve.

Clarence Thomas: did not serve.

Sean Hannity: did not serve.

Rush Limbaugh: did not serve

Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.

Michael Savage: did not serve.

George Will: did not serve.

Paul Gigot: did not serve.

Bill Bennett: did not serve.

Pat Buchanan: did not serve.

John Wayne: did not serve.

Bill Kristol: did not serve.

Kenneth Starr: did not serve.

Ralph Reed: did not serve.

Michael Medved: did not serve.

Charlie Daniels: did not serve.

Ted Nugent: did not serve.

I’ve not checked the accuracy of this list, but it seems likely to be true. I thought it interesting that someone would go to the trouble to put it together. If it’s SPAM, I hope someone will let me know. [My husband will be the first to check www.snopes.com, I suspect!] Truth-telling has been a real problem with this “transparent” administration. "Bush's rhetoric bears no resemblance to his policies. How does he get away with it?"--the American Prospect.

That last quote I picked up from “hamiltonian.” Well worth the time and effort to stop by and read "Credibility Gap" in Hamiltonian’s blog of today.

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